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I told the students of Kamiyama Monosasu Academy
The essence of arriving at "powerful words"
Interview with copywriter Keiji Tochizawa - Part 2 -

This is the second part of "The Meandering Ruler," in which former students interview copywriter Tochizawa Keiji, who taught writing at last year's Kamiyama Monosasu School.

In the first part , we asked Tochizawa about what inspired him to become a copywriter and what he values in the process of creating copy.
In the second part, we will hear from Kaname about how he grasps the "powerful words" taught in Kamiyama Monosasu Juku's classes, the challenges students face in their new careers, and Tochizawa's plans for the future.

(Interviewer: Kensaku Saguchi)

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Profile of Keiji Tochizawa :
Born in Kanagawa Prefecture in 1957. Copywriter/vocational school instructor. Graduated from Nihon University's College of Industrial Technology. Worked at Japan Design Center Co., Ltd. before going freelance. Moved from Yokohama to Yugawara Town to find a good work-life balance and is currently working in a SOHO. His motto is "The only thing that increases learning is play."

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Keisuke Haga, second-term student at Kamiyama Monosasu Juku :
I left my hometown of Hiroshima and went to Tokushima as a member of the second class of the Kamiyama Monosasu Juku. After six months of training in the mountains, I arrived in Yoyogi. I am working hard every day as a trainee planner in the BtoB team of the Marketing Department.

Yoko Omura, second-year student of the Kamiyama Monosasu School :
Born in Hiroshima Prefecture. After graduating from the second class of the Kamiyama Monosasu School, he joined the Monosasu Site Editorial Department in the Production Division. Although he had worked in an editing role in his previous job, he is learning a new way of editing at the Monosasu Site Editorial Department.


What I wanted to convey at the Kamiyama Monosasu School: Revealing yourself


Mr. Tochizawa and students from the second term of the Kamiyama Monosasu School (July to December 2016)

Ohmura

I heard that the reason you started teaching at Kamiyama Monosasu Juku was because Tochizawa-san reached out to you...

Tochizawa-san

I always read the Monosasu website and saw the articles about Kamiyama, and one day I saw an article about them thinking about holding a writing class there. I thought, "They even do this, Monosasu!"
I also work as a lecturer at a vocational school teaching writing skills, so when I contacted Hayashi and asked if I could help, it was agreed right away.
This also relates to what I want to do in the future. Now that I'm in my late 50s, I'll continue to do creative things, of course, but I also want to try writing personal works and support people who want to create things. I think that if there's anything I can do, it's my duty to help them do that.

Ohmura

Were you also interested in teaching adults who had some experience working in society?

Tochizawa-san

That was one reason. I've also changed my path. I wanted to tell people that it's not good to put too much pressure on yourself when you change your path. When I changed my path, I quit without any effort or determination. I thought, "Okay, let's go this way." That was also because I was young, and that was all it took for me to go.
But when I met the students at Monosasu Juku, I felt a similar vibe and was relieved. I didn't sense any of the pain of struggling to become something. Right?

Haga

surely.

Tochizawa-san

That's right. Otherwise, you wouldn't have been able to come to Kamiyama so easily. If you try too hard, thinking "I have to change something," you'll make mistakes. I think the right position is to make a quick decision and go with the flow.
If you work hard, work hard, get a qualification, and then decide on a goal before you start again, you won't be able to quit. To put it in a bad way, it's momentum. I think momentum is very important in life.

Ohmura

That's true, I went in on impulse (laughs).

Tochizawa-san

That enthusiasm and light-heartedness was transmitted to me by the students. That's why I said in the first class, "I can smell the same thing."

Haga

Haha (laughs).
Is there anything you decided to convey?

Tochizawa-san

In one word, it becomes that word. It's not classy, so it might be bad.

Haga

"When you want to express yourself, take off your pants!" (laughs)

Tochizawa-san

(laughs) My intention is to free myself from being tied down.
Web writing is often done for other people, including clients. Of course, you have to be mindful of the other person. You shouldn't, but if you only think about that when you write, you won't be able to write anything worthwhile.
Don't you think you need to free yourself up and be able to put ideas and thoughts together?

Ohmura

After this keyword came up in class, the students kept using it in their everyday conversations, saying, "No, it's not off yet" (laughs).

Tochizawa-san

To express yourself, to create something, is to expose yourself.

Ohmura

For me, each writing class was a very liberating time, and it took a lot of courage.

Tochizawa-san

I think it will take more courage from now on. Even if you "put it all out there" at the cram school, only about 10 students who pass the manuscript around to read it will see it, but if you write for work, the number of people who see it is incomparable.

Why we insist on writing by hand using pencils and erasers in our writing classes

Ohmura

In Tochizawa's writing class, we used pencils and erasers. In the coding class, we were always facing the computer, so when we were given a pencil and eraser, I was really happy. Can you tell me again why you chose a pencil and eraser?

Tochizawa-san

I think everyone will probably go back to their computers after the class, but I wanted them to experience writing with their hands. The speed at which they write, the time they spend thinking while they write. I wanted them to experience those things with a pencil and eraser.

Ohmura

Do you mean use your body?

Tochizawa-san

That's right. It's physicality. For example, when you're writing character by character with a pencil, it's a pain to erase them, so you think about how you can change the end of the sentence a little and take it in a different direction. You change the ending, add a conjunction, change it. That was the kind of training I did.
When writing on a computer, you can delete it if you don't like it, and you can bring it back if you decide you want to use it after all.

Haga

Mr. Tochizawa's classes were always so much fun. I wondered what topic he would write about today. The topic that left the biggest impression on me was writing about a map in words.
Write the directions to your house in 400 characters so that the other person can get there just by reading it.

Tochizawa-san

That was training for me to see things from a bird's-eye view. I don't usually have the chance to do that. Even if I draw pictures and add comments, it becomes much more difficult to explain everything in words.

Ohmura

The assignment I had the most difficulty with was to write an article introducing LED light bulbs. The article was written in a confusing way at first, so I had to rewrite it to make it easier to understand, but it was difficult to decide what criteria to use.

Tochizawa-san

When I usually read the news online, I sometimes come across really bad sentences. They are so bad that I thought they would make a good subject, so I created an assignment to rewrite the bad sentences.
The key is to decide on a point of view. Gradually, everyone realized that it would be easier to write if they could do that. For example, LED light bulbs from the perspective of a housewife. Once you decide on a point of view, you'll know how much information you need to include.

Ohmura

It was refreshing to see how what you write changes depending on whose perspective you are writing from.


The troubles two people faced after starting a job that uses words: A master of words teaches how to write sentences and proposals

Ohmura

Both I and Haga have joined Monosus and are each working in new jobs.
I am currently working in the editorial department, writing and reviewing various articles, and am involved in the work of conveying information on the ground.
After taking Tochizawa-san's class, I realized that words that come out after you understand something are the best way to convey it to the other person. However, when you actually go to the workplace, there are many situations where you have to put something into words even if your whole body doesn't feel like "That's right!"

Tochizawa-san

I see. There are a lot of them.

Ohmura

Tochizawa-san said that he loves the product and wants to convey it, but what should he do if there are parts that he cannot empathize with? Also, even if the subject matter itself is negative, is it honest to convey it? I also feel that there is a challenge.
When it's difficult to communicate or put force into your words, how do you organize your thoughts and get the words out?

Tochizawa-san

What does it mean when the subject matter is negative?

Ohmura

For example, if I were to convey a negative event in a negative manner, the recipient would probably just think, "Oh, I see..." and feel depressed, so I was unsure how I should write about it.

Tochizawa-san

In that case, it's about sorting out the essence within the negative subject matter: why is this negative?
For example, let's say the topic is about the bad economy and how to live in it. If it's all about economics, there's no salvation. But if you don't have money at that time, you might as well enjoy it as much as you can. Then, if you can see the direction of how to use money, rather than how to increase it, I think the reader can receive one of the essences in a negative topic.

Ohmura

Using your own feelings as a starting point...

Tochizawa-san

If you just write about negative topics, it will just be a sad story. There must be something hidden there, so look at it. Maybe there will be a positive side to it.
When you find something like that, I think it's okay to cling to it and write about it.
That was quite a difficult question. It's like a continuation of cram school.

Ohmura

Thank you, I'd like to hear again what you thought after being out on the scene.

Tochizawa-san

This may be strange for me to ask, but are the lessons at your cram school useful in the workplace?

Ohmura

Yes. When I'm brainstorming or putting out my ideas, I always remember the advice, "Just keep putting them out there without rejecting anything."
Also, keep your sentences as short as possible. I try to keep that in mind, but sometimes they end up being long...

Haga

I'm currently working as a planner, creating proposals, but when I tried to put it into practice, I found it difficult. That's because proposals are structured, logically organized, and structured.
I used to work in the apparel industry, and I think I was the type of person who wrote by intuition when I was in cram school. But that didn't help me write a proposal well. I would be happy if you could tell me the key points of writing a proposal, Mr. Tochizawa.

Tochizawa-san

Proposals are case by case. Sometimes they are put together in an orderly manner, and other times they prioritize intuition and show off the idea and say, "Let's do this!", then write down things like, "This is the background," and "This is what we're aiming for."
Which one to choose depends on the client.

If you show a proposal that prioritizes intuition to a conservative company, they might say, "Don't be silly." In that case, it's better to take the steps of sorting out the requirements, identifying the issues, and doing research, and then show them how to do it, and then develop it by saying, "So, this is what we thought," "Here's how to make it happen," and "This is the expected effect."

If you've worked with a client many times and are familiar with each other, they may be happier if you just tell them the conclusion straight away. It really depends on the case, so basically, if you remember these two patterns, I don't think you'll have any trouble.

Haga

When it comes to the difference between showing it all at once at the beginning and building it up to arrive at a result, should you choose based on your relationship with the other person? Or should you change it depending on what you want to show?

Tochizawa-san

It's a difficult question, but in reality, both types just have different orders.
There are two bentos, and the types of side dishes packed are the same. However, the way you pack them will change depending on which side dish you want to highlight.

The proposal is the same, and the materials themselves remain the same. The question is where to put the highlight, the part that says, "This is our idea."
So I think it's important to observe your clients carefully. Are they the type who says, "I don't care about the introduction, I just want the conclusion," or are they the type who won't be convinced unless things are put together logically?
However, the common thread is that if the idea is poor, you're out of luck.

Monosus says, "I'm kind of jealous" Copywriter Keiji Tochizawa's future

Haga

Finally, Mr. Tochizawa, what is your impression of Monosus?

Tochizawa-san

I love it. They have a variety of clients, but I think their company structure is completely new. I think they're from a new generation. The Yoyogi office is a good example of this, and everything about them is new, including the way they approach work. The people who work there are lively.
When I went to the anniversary party, Hayashi-san was grilling meat. "I'm kind of jealous."
Of course, they will give it careful consideration, but when they say they want to do something, they have the speed and power to act.
The theme of the Monosasu Juku in Kamiyama was work style and lifestyle, and Monosasu as a company places great importance on that. I think that way of thinking is new in itself.

Ohmura

I'm also a bit confused because it's completely different from my previous company. They tell me to give my opinion, but I haven't really been asked for my opinion that much up until now. I'm confused and wondering if it's okay to give my opinion (laughs).

Tochizawa-san

Whoever speaks up wins in that kind of company.

Ohmura

By the way, you seem to be a very energetic person, what gives you strength in your work?

Tochizawa-san

I wonder what it is...
I guess I want to feel good. I just love pleasure. I love motorcycles, surfing, fishing, and alcohol. In other words, I love feeling good. So I think I aim for that in my work too.
Of course, I can't do whatever I want because my customers have their own reasons. I'm not creating my own work.
But when I find the line that connects the client and the consumer, and I'm able to make that connection, I feel a sense of satisfaction. I think that's my driving force. Probably.

Haga

How do you plan to express yourself in the future to seek pleasure?

Tochizawa-san

In terms of advertising creative, I have had the opportunity to work on a wide variety of projects, both on a large scale and at a large level, that have given me a big response.
Of course, I will continue to work on advertising creatives, but as I mentioned at the beginning, I also want to work on passing on what I have to the next generation.
It's fun. We can meet again like today. It's fate. I'm happy to think that I was able to give them something useful, even if it was just a little. I want to continue to give them the ability to write proper words.
Well, on the other hand, I also think I'd rather just quit work and go to Okinawa, play the sanshin, and drink awamori (laughs).


I went to Mitsuishi Beach, located at the tip of the Manazuru Peninsula, about a 10-minute drive from my house. If the weather is good, you can see the whole view of the Uchibo area of Chiba Prefecture, Shonan, the Izu Peninsula, and the Izu Seven Islands.


Looking back on the interview
~Letters from students~

From Haga to Tochizawa-san

On this visit, I discovered something.

This is why Tochizawa is able to create natural, powerful and wonderful words.

The rough waves of the sea and the tranquil mountains of Yugawara, and the lovely houses built there,
The room is surrounded by bikes, surfboards, and numerous books...

I love them all and work like I'm playing.

Everything that constitutes Tochizawa-san, through Tochizawa-san,
I felt that these words came out in such beautiful words.

And now that we have actually started working in this new environment,
Thank you for your advice.

As Tochizawa-san said, "It's like a continuation of the cram school."
I also remember those days and feel a little sentimental.

From now on, I will put to use what I learned from Tochizawa-san...
I'll take off my pants (lol)

Next time, all the students will go to Yugawara for fun!

Keisuke Haga

From Omura to Tochizawa-san

Yugawara also spoke to us during the class.
I never thought I would actually be able to see it.
I was a little nervous but excited as I headed to Yugawara.

Just like Tochizawa's attitude towards work and words,
I was so happy to see them proudly introducing the place they love.
It was like I got to see Tochizawa-san himself.
I was very happy.

As the saying goes, "In the beginning was the word."
It seems that Tochizawa's words are what create his world.
It was a day when I felt that way.

After the interview, we enjoyed some fresh local fish.
I will treasure the time you listened to me and your advice.

thank you very much!

Yoko Ohmura

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